			    TRAVELLER Digest 151

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Laser Penetration	by Liam_McCauley@qsp.co.uk
  2) Stricker II, this side of the pond	by E.D.Quibell@bton.ac.uk (Ewan D Quibell)
  3) Death Stars and Super Star Destroyers	by Alvin Plummer <plummera@sheridanc.on.ca>
  4) Glisten adventure.	by Alvin Plummer <plummera@sheridanc.on.ca>
  5) Re: Glisten adventure.	by Shalom Zaidfeld <cs911408@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca>

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 13:57:27 +0000
From: Liam_McCauley@qsp.co.uk
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Re: Laser Penetration
Message-ID: <f0958ef0@pc173.qsp.co.uk>

     Django Upton provides some feedback to my rantings about laser 
     penetration :-)
     Unfortunately, I don't agree with his first point :-(
     
     He writes:
     "... a laser ... with an intensity less than 0.390625 Mj/cm^2 ... will 
     have a PR > 1 and a Damage Value of 1 or less"
     
     A laser with an intensity of 0.25Mj/cm^2 (figure off the top of my 
     head) will have a damage value of 25, and an official Penetration 
     Rating of Nil.  Allowing an IPR < 1 (using my, unofficial rule) would 
     give a penetration of 3.
     
     Sorry to be negative, especially when you took the time to reply to my 
     query, but I still haven't heard anything to discount my IPR < 1 
     ruling.
     
     I'm happier with your second point, though.  The idea of trading range 
     for penetration feels right, although I'll need to examine FF&S again 
     tonight to see exactly what definitions are used for the relationships 
     between damage, penetration, power, intensity (now, where did I put my 
     Optics text books?).
     
     Big thanks to GDW for the FF&S errata.  I wish other companies were so 
     willing to admit their mistakes and correct them.  Since I tend to buy 
     Traveller products as soon as they come out (impatient, moi?), I 
     always seem to have the first printing with the most errors.
     
     Incidentally, has anyone on this side of the Atlantic seen Striker II 
     in the shops yet?  Thanks to John Bogan for the brief overview.  Is 
     Striker II a boardgame with counters, maps, etc, or a miniatures 
     wargame?  (Should I buy it as soon as it comes out, or wait for the 
     corrected printing with errata applied? :-))
     
     Cheers,
     Liam McCauley
     
     Liam_McCauley@qsp.co.uk

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 14:46:09 +0000 (GMT)
From: E.D.Quibell@bton.ac.uk (Ewan D Quibell)
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Stricker II, this side of the pond
Message-ID: <9501031446.AA04936@diamond.bton.ac.uk>

I've not seen it this side of the pond yet, not that I havn't been trying.
Two friends in london haven't seen it, and virgin haven,t tacken delivery
into there wherehouse (31st Dec).

So if Stricker II pops it's head up, can someone give us a shout.

Thanks

Ewan


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Date: Tue, 03 Jan 1995 10:38:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Alvin Plummer <plummera@sheridanc.on.ca>
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Death Stars and Super Star Destroyers
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.950103093608.8519A-100000@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca>


For all of you that wanted to design these instruments of destruction, 
but never got around to it...

I spent a few hours last night designing an rough skeleton of the Death 
Star and the Star Destroyer (well, a Super Star Destroyer: a Star 
Destroyer is only about 1 milion Disp).

First, I had to extend the hull table to accomodate these monsters...

       Displacement      Kilolitres       MV            Length
        (Millions)       (Millions)

SSDestr   100               1,400         60 524        1 388 metres
D. Star  6400              89,600    247 906 978       88 833 metres

Then I installed a jumpdrive, jump6 for the SSDestroyer, jump2 for the 
Death Star...

Jump6, TL F    Volume       Mass            Cr        Surface Area       
              (Millions)   (Millions)   (Trillions)    (Millions)
SSDestr          98          196           29.4           32.667

Jump2, TL F

Death Star      1,792        3,584        537.6          5,973.333

[note: the surface area for the Super Star Destroyer is about half of 
it's total surface area!  This may pose problems for the future, and 
indicate why it's most powerful weaponry is high-powered lasers.  And you 
can probably forget either Contra-grav (not missed) or EMM (definitely 
missed, but then again, you don't expect this ship to _hide_, do you?)]

Weaponry

No, I didn't do this part.  However, I suspect that the Super Star 
Destroyer's top armorment would be lasers measured in the million's of 
joules.  As for the Death Star... well, it can certainly blow up a small 
moon, but even with a meson gun worthy of deathless fame throughout the 
ages, the best it can do to a Earth-sized planet is slowly strip off it's 
crust.

To get firepower of sufficent magnitude, what you need is probably a 
disintergrater gun of legendary dimensions.  However, I lack hard data on 
the force needed to blow up a planet ("how many hit's can a planet 
take?"), or the neccessary info to build this gun.  Any takers? 

Power Plant

I have no idea of the power consumption needed by these beasties, so I 
decreed that that the powerplant is 3% of the total volume (the 
powerplant for Steve Bonnevilles' _Azhanti High Lightling_ is 5%, but TL F 
powerplants are twice as efficent).

              Volume           Mass              MW              Cr
            (Millions)      (Millions)        (Billions)     (Trillions)

SSDestr         42             84               .252             8.4
Death Star    2,668          5,336             16.008          533.6

Engineering Crew (assuming TL F computers)
  Super Star Destroyer            1,680,000
  Death Star                    106,720,000

Estimated Ship crew ('Engineering crew x 3' is my rule of thumb)
  Super Star Destroyer            5,040,000
  Death Star                    320,160,000

Estimated Cost (Power Plant cost x 5)
  Super Star Destroyer             42 TCr
  Death Star                    2,668 TCr

.. Now, about feasibility.

Assuming every Hi-Pop system can pay 5 TCr of the bill for a Super Star 
Destroyer (ie. money that would have been earmarked for five Trillion Credit 
Squadrons, of four ship's each), you would need 8.4 Hi-Pop systems to 
build a SSD, and 33.6 Hi-Pop systems to build a squadron of four.  Now, 
because a typical Imperial Sector (a *Third* Imperial Sector:) has  
between 30-40 Hi-Pop systems, a Sector Duke would be trading his 1,000 
ship Navy for a squadron of near-invinsible warships (imagine trying to 
get a critical hit on these babies!).  Pleasing to the ego, but not sane 
military strategy.

As for the Death Star... well, remarkably enough, the Third Imperium 
*can* build it (THAT's how big the Third Imperium is!).  Not only that, 
but it could do so without touching the Imperial Navy! (you can kiss 
goodbye to the Planetary (non-jump) warships and IISS, however.)

You need 2668 TCr to build one; that is, 533.6 Hi-Pop systems.  Now, 
since the entire Imperium only contains about 880 Hi-Pop systems, you 
would be using 60.6% of your Naval budget to build this technological 
monstrosity.  The entire Imperial Navy, with it's roughly 42,000 major 
ships, 126,000 minor ships and 20 Naval Depots is worth about 3000 TCr.  
But 'the _other_ Imperial Navy', the Planetary squadrons and the 
Imperial Scouts,  are also worth 3000 TCr.  Guess who's budget disappear's?

Of course, you can just stick to Star Destroyers.  At 1 Million 
displacement, they are twice the size of the current Imperial 
heavyweight, the 500 kiloton _Tigress_ Dreadnaught's.  Moreover, they 
won't cause the Sector Minister of Finance to stir restlessly in 
sweat-filled nightmares.  Perhaps someone here would like to try his 
hand in building one...?

Alvin Plummer
(Supervisor, Imperial Naval Yards (Endor)) 


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Date: Tue, 03 Jan 1995 14:13:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Alvin Plummer <plummera@sheridanc.on.ca>
To: traveller@MPGN.COM
Subject: Glisten adventure.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.950103140900.15347A-200000@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca>

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I was planning to submit this story to Chalange, but they limit 
adventures to 4000 words.  When my rough draft hit 1200 - and I was only 
a fourth of the way through - I decided to develop my 'other' story 
idea for Challange. (which I havent even started yet)

And what about my old story?  Well, I'm submitting the portion I saved to 
disk.  If you like, I'll submit the rest within the week.  If not... 
well, at least I didn't submit this to Challange.
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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 17:42:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Shalom Zaidfeld <cs911408@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca>
To: TNE Mailing List <traveller@MPGN.COM>
Subject: Re: Glisten adventure.
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.950103174122.3432D-100000@blue>


Hi there,
        Alvin, you message was unreadable by my mail reader (Pine).  Was 
it a Mime formated message?  If it was, Pine can not handle mime so if 
you could post your adventure again (or send it to me), It would be great.

Thanks a lot, and Happy new Year!

                -Shalom Zaidfeld
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Student, Newtonbrook Secondary School
Toronto, Ontario, CANADA
Internet: cs911408@ariel.cs.yorku.ca


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